http://firehooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#2f052d3c-9945-4c18-8634-bc39ba0d72ce I don't know what would have made you think so but no, I've never spun indoors... I have worked safety on a few gigs where people were. I would discourage anyone from doing it but circuses and hollywood rarely want to work outdoors so exceptions get made. Granted these performers were insured professionals, using inspected equipment with welded hardware, at venues engineered for pyrotechnical performances that have insurance policy riders for fire performing, with multiple spotters and safeties in place to protect persons and property. No one should even consider doing it with less care. I thank you for checking on me though, we need to watch each others backs. Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:05:43 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#2f052d3c-9945-4c18-8634-bc39ba0d72ce Stevie 2009-04-08T15:05:43Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#079f933c-9d49-48bb-b397-517627f18bc6 Use Klean Burn. Lowest fumes and a suprisingly long burn. Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:45:56 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#079f933c-9d49-48bb-b397-517627f18bc6 Esther 2009-04-04T15:45:56Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#3ee6bd2b-da24-4b53-8244-3413a49f9e50 Please tell me you never spin indoors. Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:56:28 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#3ee6bd2b-da24-4b53-8244-3413a49f9e50 Tedward 2009-04-01T16:56:28Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#0eed88d9-16cf-471a-9a64-8e09bcefab5a I <3 charcoal lighter fluid in plastic bottles! No more pouring, dipping and dripping... just point and squeeze Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:49:27 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#0eed88d9-16cf-471a-9a64-8e09bcefab5a Stevie 2009-04-01T12:49:27Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#0dce365f-c274-480e-a825-decfcae99557 I was one of the founders of NAFAA.org That went a long way towards my safety education. Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:58:59 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#0dce365f-c274-480e-a825-decfcae99557 Tedward 2009-03-31T18:58:59Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#1c979c69-8874-48f9-a108-da80587877e2 They have in the past made screw on tubes that narrow your fuel stream so you can fill other containers. I have seen them in hardware stores before. Try a hardware store, not a Home depot, but a true hardware store. Or you could always use a funnel and a DOT approved fuel can, the ones with the spring loaded lid. Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:02:08 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#1c979c69-8874-48f9-a108-da80587877e2 Scott 2009-03-31T18:02:08Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#f7241aa4-a0c9-4bf7-9cd4-fefcf8302c78 tedward! you're just bursting with helpful fire tips. so knowledgeable and nice! :) Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:02:07 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#f7241aa4-a0c9-4bf7-9cd4-fefcf8302c78 Diane 2009-03-31T18:02:07Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#d5440f6b-d893-4cc8-8828-3d788367ccc0 Hey, what most people do not realize is that white gas cans are intended to be poured from different directions depending on how full it is. The offset opening near one corner makes for three types of pouring: Full - When the can is very full, tilt to the side away from the opening. With the spout on "top" of the pour, it's less likely to "chug" and splash. Med - Once about 1/4 of the can is done, flip to the other side for well-controlled fast pouring Half - At about halfway down, it doesn't matter which way you pour, so you can send it straight down without sloshing the top with fuel. And for all containers, a cheap shop rag goes a long way towards safety. Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:49:38 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#d5440f6b-d893-4cc8-8828-3d788367ccc0 Tedward 2009-03-31T17:49:38Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#fc985497-5445-4460-a441-9097ef3531b5 I hate how fuel cans do that. You would think that if you created something that poured an extremely flammable substance, you wouldn't want it spill everywhere. My fuel sloshes our and drips down the sides of the canister until it's at least half empty. I wish there was some sort of easy pour spout on the cans. Maybe I can find something to help with that issue. Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:41:24 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#fc985497-5445-4460-a441-9097ef3531b5 Glenda 2009-03-31T17:41:24Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#b45c1d88-92d9-4316-a54c-1bd1c1e24934 I <3 drywall mud buckets! The five gallon sized ones, although difficult to open they are air tight and big enough to stash gallon size fuel cans and (cool) wicks/torches. Side note/safety tip: Fuel often times drips down the sides of containers from pouring it and this makes the container very susceptible to ignition from out of control wicks, obviously fuel should be kept as far from performers as possible but keeping your fuel in a second sealed container (like a mud bucket) gives you an extra barrier to help prevent catastrophe. Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:35:37 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#b45c1d88-92d9-4316-a54c-1bd1c1e24934 Stevie 2009-03-31T17:35:37Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#17d4d1fb-e300-4eb9-b076-1e355a55b0f6 Ahhh yes, the hand of fate oft comes from odd places.. :) Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:31:33 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#17d4d1fb-e300-4eb9-b076-1e355a55b0f6 Tedward 2009-03-27T23:31:33Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#5df8de4c-87a7-4f4a-a09f-271936b4df55 yeah I'm in Knoxville, TN. I'm a student at UTK. Well I won't have a problem with smelly fuel for a while cause I had some friends borrow it last night for a fire show that I couldn't participate in (I was studying) and a big obnoxious cop came by confiscated my fuel. It wouldn't have been so bad, except he was an asshole about it. He kicked over some tools and supplies before just grabbing it and walking away. My fire-breather friend tried to explain that they were professional performers who knew what they were doing, but to no avail. At least he didn't take anyone's torches. *sigh* Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:24:15 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#5df8de4c-87a7-4f4a-a09f-271936b4df55 Glenda 2009-03-27T23:24:15Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#8b681c2e-709a-46d9-b2fc-94a6bbcab520 No, she's got a point, the internet has an international following. And since there's two Georgias, there's likely to be another knoxville. I was going by the statistical layout of tribe: about 95% US, 2% canada and 3% other, with a 5% hacker error margin. Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:24:49 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#8b681c2e-709a-46d9-b2fc-94a6bbcab520 Tedward 2009-03-26T18:24:49Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#df41edbe-b65d-4631-aeb5-2a9607fcd1a1 us, she's in tenessee, unless there's some other knoxville i don't know of. i know it's already been said and you hav a lot of great advice already, but i'll put in my two cents anyways. i use white gas, give it a whirl Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:30:22 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#df41edbe-b65d-4631-aeb5-2a9607fcd1a1 Diane 2009-03-26T13:30:22Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#a7c97080-d41f-4acf-b9be-687f700f2e9d Which country? Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:57:05 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#a7c97080-d41f-4acf-b9be-687f700f2e9d Blueberry 2009-03-26T12:57:05Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#62fe4f9f-7987-437c-93a4-b0556c6125b7 Yup, but with most of the country in the non-sunny zones right now, I was betting on needing a heater.. :) Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:54:49 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#62fe4f9f-7987-437c-93a4-b0556c6125b7 Tedward 2009-03-26T07:54:49Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#71fd20ce-7858-43a9-9a2c-9dc851979b34 Or if it is sunny where you live you will find that you can get a fair bit of smell out of your car by opening the windows and leving it in the sun for a few hours. Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:12:30 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#71fd20ce-7858-43a9-9a2c-9dc851979b34 Blueberry 2009-03-26T00:12:30Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#496e4a48-9bc6-4481-8573-0ad2ac9db086 Yeah, just my $0.02, to add to the general consensus, White gas and pure versions of Kero (Like synthetic Crystal K) have fewer molecules in the Benzene family (carcinogenic) and tend to have the thiols removed as well. This makes them less smelly to begin with and less musky afterwards. However, that doesn't help you Now. So, get and extension cord and a space heater or hair dryer on a sunny day and run it out to your car. Step 1) remove everything from the area you store your wicks normally, place the space heater there and let it run on high. This will help evaporate any excess fuel that might have dripped into your trunk/backseat/etc. 2) take off all transport bags, wick covers, plastic bags, etc and set your wicks out in full sunlight. This will also help them evaporate, though a good white gas burn will do the job in 3 minutes. 3) wash anything that's come in contact with the wicks, toss the plastic. Your biggest source of smell will come from the dip cans and retail containers. Dip cans should never have fuel in them, except to dip. Use funnels to return fuel to retail containers. With a soft, disposable cloth wipe down the retail container before putting it back in your car. Best thing would be to store the fuel, dip can and funnel in large ziplock bags once all the fuel transfer has completed. Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:57:54 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#496e4a48-9bc6-4481-8573-0ad2ac9db086 Tedward 2009-03-25T18:57:54Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#0f6f7c97-888a-4bc3-b501-31650c3f460e excellent point. Use gloves if your going to touch a fuel. Any fuel can enter your body through the skin, and long term exposure can cause problems. Doing what you can, like using kitchen rubber gloves to squeeze out fuel keeps it off your hands, and out of your body. Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:11:27 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#0f6f7c97-888a-4bc3-b501-31650c3f460e Scott 2009-03-25T16:11:27Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#91c7d995-1292-4272-9934-395b878aec65 The problem is that Kerosene doesn't evaporate, like white gas does. Many performers I know use white gas due to the fact that it will evaporate out what doesn't burn. And when you burn Kerosene in a wick, it heats up all that material which makes it out gas for a while.. Try letting your wicks get as cool as possible before you bag them, and you might try going to the store and finding a tupperware container that will seal air tight. With Kerosene, about all you can hope for is to contain it and it's vapors. Dawn actually acts on the molecule in oils and petro based chemicals. so you can use it to help remove all traces of spent fuel. Our noses are so sensitive that we can detect odors down to a few parts per billion for some odors. SO even the smallest amount of Kerosene will leave an odor. Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:07:56 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#91c7d995-1292-4272-9934-395b878aec65 Scott 2009-03-25T16:07:56Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#6f04bcbf-5b45-443c-a344-3329a79c61a8 Okay, one more question...why do you have fuel on your hands? I always try and get as little fuel on my hands as possible, so I don't light them on fire. Sometimes I get a couple of drops, but nothing more.... Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:07:19 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#6f04bcbf-5b45-443c-a344-3329a79c61a8 Sayra 2009-03-25T16:07:19Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#74ab2d8a-f6cb-4948-aaa3-6beca24535d4 Not that I'm really an expert on this either, but what time of "kero/fuel" are you using? White gas has very little odor. I've also used airplane grade kero, and the smell isn't too strong with it either. My (un-educated) guess would be that the kero you are using is mixed with some type of addititive, since it's really hard to find pure kero, and that it what you are smelling. I've always taken a shower and run the clothes thru the laundry and that has always taken the smell off. And, once again I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think you should be storing fuel in a plastic container. I've always used a paint can (also from Home Depot or Lowes) Hopefully, someone with more knowledge will come along and be able to answer your concerns.... Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:05:39 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#74ab2d8a-f6cb-4948-aaa3-6beca24535d4 Sayra 2009-03-25T16:05:39Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#9bf0a56c-b870-446f-9f1e-cdcbeed3b9cd Not sure I can help much as I'm not a burner (is that the right expression?) yet. But, have you tried dishsoap for cleaning your hands and clothes. It works really well in getting out oil on clothes, so maybe it will work for the smell. Also, maybe try storing your stuff with a bunch of baking soda boxes or loose baking soda. Good luck. Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:56:58 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#9bf0a56c-b870-446f-9f1e-cdcbeed3b9cd Sunshine 2009-03-25T12:56:58Z http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#f979b1f3-7eda-4a73-a65d-6ca5b351ab28 ok so I've been fire hooping for a while now and I can't seem to find a good method for keeping the smell of kerosene/fuel off everything I own. It's sooo pungent and although the smell itself isn't that offensive to me, it's really strong and wont' get out of my clothes and stuff. I have found that no amount of washing of my hands completely rids myself of the odor, but for some reason it helps a lot when I rub my hands in dirt. I'm getting a different dip can that I hope will help. It's a really sturdy paint/paint thinner plastic container from Home Depot. It's kind of like tupperware on steroids. I keep my wicks in a study ziplock back then wrap them in a couple more plastic grocery bags. They still smell to high heaven so I store them on a top shelf of a pretty unused closet which seems to work fairly well. Any tips? How does everyone else deal with their fire tools and fuels? Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:36:46 GMT http://FireHooping.tribe.net/thread/fc660789-8ba3-4b16-ade9-8631b186e1d8#f979b1f3-7eda-4a73-a65d-6ca5b351ab28 Glenda 2009-03-25T12:36:46Z